MacArthur’s Obamacare repeal vote to draw protests at town hall

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  • Tommy p

    Funny everyone complains about Obamacare high deductibles and being out right lied to and NOW these same dopes want to keep this worthless insurance!
    How many NJ Residents had to give up their insurance because it wasn’t good enough for Obama (800,000)

  • VinBick

    Wow! Talk about fake news. The article is a “talking point memo” from the democrat party. Terrible journalism. God bless MacArthur for leading the way to secure passage of this bill that now goes to the Senate to fine tune. The writer distorted the repeal and replace bill passed by the House of Representatives.

    • Mercy Otis Warren

      MacArthur is an establishment shill. He would never disrupt the insurance cartel as his handlers might get upset. If he wanted to help, he should have authored a bill that says the following: The laws establishing and maintaining medicare; medicaid and obamacare and any other associated program are hereby repealed. God forbid the free market apply to medicine.

      • Lisa thomas

        This is also anger that obamas legacy is going to pot

        • Mercy Otis Warren

          I do not understand your reply. What does “this” refer to? If it refers to my comment, you are irretrievably lost in partisan politics. I think Obama’s legacy (including Obamacare) was almost entirely disastrous.

          • Lisa thomas

            Just being snarky

      • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

        Mercy will you go on Medicare or Medicaid? Take SS?
        YOU Trumptards do know that Medicaid pays the bills for broke seniors in nursing homes right?
        And what time is the evangelical Christian services?

        • Mercy Otis Warren

          Medicare, medicaid and SS will not be around when I am old enough to collect and if by some miracle it is, I will take exactly the amount of money that has been stolen from me over the years; no more; no less. I think DT is as worthless as HC; you should know that if you can read — which is debatable. I am not an Evangelical either. You should know that too by virtue of past posts.

          • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

            Start your own church and religion and don’t pay it works in Lakewood

          • Lisa thomas

            Stats??

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            It works for every rich person. Check out the laws involving charitable foundations. Everyone who is anyone has one of these puppies to legally launder their wealth and assets.

          • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

            so what are you waiting for? Start one
            I’m still waiting to hear why Medicare For ALL is sooooooooooo bad when it works for Seniors and the Disabled? 134 a month and a 165 a yr deductible and get this you can get W s part D
            Just think about all the money ppl would have although I say raise the premium and eliminate the 165
            everyone pays in

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            Medicare is bankrupt; just like social security. That is why it will not work. I do not have enough resources to launder —much less enough to hire an attorney to do the laundering.

          • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

            Fear not for I m Trump a 25 mil fraud will open a widget factory and get you out of Pineyness or perhaps I can give Happy Gilmore or the King of Lacey a call and get you a union Govt Job?

          • Mac

            Social security, much like our pension system, had plenty of money to support their causes. Politicians just borrowed and borrowed from them for decades for self-serving projects and assorted reasons to get themselves reelected, and never paid any of the borrowed funds back. And it worked very well for them as the public buried their heads in the sand to avoid addressing when they still had a say, don’t you think.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            That may very well have been the case and the politicians certainly pillaged the fund (with impunity). But as a general concept, I think SS (and pensions for that matter) are flawed. The ideas assume that workers are too incompetent to save their own money and they also assume that some bureaucratic is competent enough to manage the same. As a general matter, I think the exact opposite is true, though there are anomalies of course.

          • Mac

            Most of the workers are too incompetent to save their own money, and most bureaucrats aren’t competent enough to be trusted to manage the same with their sticky fingers. SS may not be perfect, but it’s better and cheaper than 3/4 of our elderly living in the streets when they can’t work any longer.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            You may be right with the first part of your first sentence, though I hope not. But I can not imagine that 3/4 of the elderly people in this country lived on the streets prior to the implementation of SS. They lived with their kids or other family members, which is precisely where they should be. And those without family or friends survived on private charity. SS is no different from any other government program. It started with good intentions, but it is based on a fundamental lie (i.e. that it is okay to steal someone’s money such that it can be put to “better” use by bureaucrats.) History instructs us that that rarely if ever happens. And it certainly did not happen with SS.

          • Mac

            I don’t think we are going to agree on SS. The program needs some changes, for sure, but we are 30 years late in raising the retirement age, and there should not be any early retirement payments for it.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            I guess not. I don’t mean to belabor the point, but how is it moral for you (or anyone who supports SS) to force me to participate in it? Where does that coercive moral authority come from? I don’t get it.

          • Mac

            It’s for the good of the overall basic benefits of society, much like taxes are. Most families are living from paycheck to paycheck, so voluntary savings for the future realistically can’t work for the overall health of society or the economy. Until something better comes along, we’re stuck with it.

            It would be better if the citizens paid more attention to how SS is operated, and adjust the numerous problems with it so it can become self-sufficient again.

            BTW, SS wasn’t designed originally to be a retirement plan by itself. It was designed to offset the basic costs associated with retirement that a lack of a regular paycheck would no longer be able to cover.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            “It’s for the good of the overall basic benefits of society, much like taxes are.” This statement is highly debatable and is certainly not indisputable — like say gravity. Yet, one group of people in society (i.e. the government) claim the right to force another group of people to do something via the threat of violent force. I do not see that as moral. Governmental authority springs from the consent of the all those governed, not just some. And without unanimous consent, government is nothing more than a band of robbers — literally.

          • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

            Do you have health insurance and do you pay for it? If yes why? And if you were to go to the hospital and you don’t have insurance who should foot the bill?

          • Mac

            You and I are the government. Majority rules in this society for all those governed by it, not just some. Unanimous consent is unlikely with over 300 million voters. (I base this on a lifetime experience of living with four women in the same house with only one male. And it doesn’t change much when three of them move out. :-))

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            Being as though I do not know whether you work for a public entity (or are a politician), I do not know about you, but I am most certainly not the government, nor do I consent to its exercise of authority over me. I know that means little practically speaking but that is the fact of the matter. Majority rule is a logical fallacy with no moral underpinning. You are correct that unanimous consent ain’t going to happen with a country of 300 million. That is just one reason why there should never be a country of 300 million people. Massive decentralization into much smaller political units would be a good place to begin our journey back toward liberty and responsibility.

          • Mac

            I think it’s safe to say I’m not a politician, and I’m not big on the current lack of leadership skills of most public entities that I know of, but I am a part of ‘We, the people’ and I believe in strength in numbers. As for the rest of your positions, good luck with that.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            I hear you. I don’t have any illusion that these liberty oriented ideas are going to take root without a good old classic hissy fit by the bully down the street. Indeed, we are seeing it every day. But one nice consolation is that the nature of things can only be suppresses for so long before a realignment of sorts is required. And a storm is a brewing my friend! Thanks for the conversation.

          • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

            As a great American local pol once said “Move” go live off the grid in Ak
            I bet you have a drivers license and health insurance and home owners insurance and comply with the LAW whether your copy of the Constitution says so or no
            What time is the militia training?

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            It sounds appealing, though I can not muster the courage to do it at this point. And you are right, I comply with laws I disagree with everyday. I know it makes me a bit of a hypocrite, but I have a family and do not have the luxury of principles 100% of the time (that would land me in jail).

  • Mercy Otis Warren

    This argument is like bickering over whether the pig should wear pink or purple lipstick. None of it changes the fact that the medical industry is one pig fat pig that will continue to suck up the meager savings of America’s dwindling middle class. The medical industry is just like banking. There is little to no transparency and it walks arm and arm with the US government, which means it is a disaster. The medical industry is the only industry in the world (banking hasn’t even accomplished this) that obligates a buyer to pay a price for a good or service that is unknowable until after the buyer is obligated to pay. Imagine that in any other industry. Yeah you can buy that Twix bar, but I am not telling you how much it is until after agree to pay me. It is absolute madness. There is zero price transparency and the government is still involved. More lipstick anyone?

    • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

      Exactly why there should be Medicare for ALL
      This way you can go to any Dr who accepts it
      Seniors and the disabled pay 134 dollars a month with a 165 dollar a yr deductible Make Sports Betting legal and use the profit to pay along with ppl and corps make pot legal and use that tax money to pay for it as well
      You are talking about ppl lives here true death panels just thinl about the amount of money that would spend on goods instead of medical expenses you have insurance but hope to NEVER having to use it

      • Mercy Otis Warren

        The fear mongering is getting old. We are always talking about peoples lives as that is humanity. Human lives do better when government stays away.

        • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

          Not if you have cancer you ignorant bitch

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            ….especially if you have cancer as treatment would be affordable.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            Here is a free book for you to get you started on a basic understanding of how economics works. Get back to me after you have read it.

            https://mises.org/system/tdf/Henry%20Hazlitt%20Economics%20in%20One%20Lesson.pdf?file=1&type=document

          • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

            was it published in Kanas?
            who are you Benny Hinn? lol smackem on the head for 10 bucks and you are cured of cancer lol do you wear a tin foil hat? Star Track or Lost in Space?
            Ole Tommy got some Karma

          • Lisa thomas

            Mercy as I said above I’m Trump is a little child,so I think instead of wasting breath the best course of action is to let him spew his BS and we laugh

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            It can not hurt to continue providing material. Will it help? I doubt it, but maybe some others on here will find some of the sources worth looking at. If you have not read it yourself, you should. Conservatives suffer from the same “the state is my savior” delusions as the liberals. They just apply it to the military/ law enforcement and the courts instead of poverty and healthcare. Both are wrong. Lady liberty is right!

          • Lisa thomas

            Agreed and yet this child still has not linked any intelligent links to his hysteria

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            Did you read the book? The author used to work for a newspaper you most assuredly read (but has now become a propaganda mouthpiece) — The New York Times. You might learn something; it really is quite an eye opening read.

  • Lisa thomas

    This is why people are laughing at the fear mongering. If you actually read the MacArthur Amendment you will see it is all in support of keeping preexisting conditions covered and making things more affordable. Fortunately people arent buying the fear mongering

    • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

      Karma for Tommy insurance scammer
      Trumptards are too stupid to know they are getting screwed by Comrade Trumpski Hey do you know Trumps Make America Great Again gear is made in Chinna ?
      Medicare For All
      Better yet lets all get on Tommy Free Insurance
      Hey Lisa what if you have a pre existing condition and you want to change jobs?

      • Mercy Otis Warren

        What if government was not involved in healthcare at all and costs were actually reasonable? Your question would then be irrelevant. Pink lipstick for you today?

        • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

          LOL Are you suggesting the imaginary insurance co that Trump is touting would lower the price? LOL Delusional much?
          The Reality is Medicare Works but there is NO Profit for Folks like Tommy Karma MacArthur

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            Profit incentives are a much better mechanism for price control than bureaucratic job security. Just think about it for a second. Name one thing that the government has touched that does not now have a sky rocketing price tag! Name one.

          • Mercy Otis Warren

            …yeah, I could not think of one either. Here are some examples to prove my point: the military industrial complex; the illegalization of everything so that the courts, jails and local police become hugely bloated; healthcare; education; and lastly (and most insidiously) every single product you buy because the US central bank prints new money out of thin air (otherwise known as counterfeiting). Government is a scam. The fact that they stick a gun in your face to get their money should tip you off to that fact (again something known as robbery if you or I do it)

      • Lisa thomas

        Hey dude how about going to factcheck.org and read what a pre existing condition is then how about the tears you donkeys shed for these under obamacare who lost their doctors, could not afford insurance and were more hurt? I mean if you did not think this was true then you really are a donkey

        • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

          Medicare for All Call Tommy s office and ask where these new insurance co are coming from

          • Lisa thomas

            How about you PROVIDE information with cogent, intelligent links and info instead of BS and fear mongering? I mean most here know unless you can do that instead of cry like a baby you are just nothing

      • Lisa thomas

        From the BS list going around explain how Pregnancy is a pre-existing condition? I mean that is one of the so called “conditions” that dems are floating with fear mongering.

        • Im Trump the 25 mil fraud

          Fear mongering? Thats a Republicon thing lol Pre Existing conditions are real unless you are a Trumptard which you clearly are
          I bet you think Jimmy Kimmel is BS ing?
          So again tell me why Medicare is Bad?
          Your Republicon dildo sounds like the batteries have died
          Call Tommys office and ask him where these fantasy insurance co are going to come from

          • Lisa thomas

            Still waiting for stats and links other than the ones up your tuchas

          • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

            remove your head from your ass and re read the link you posted there you will find Pre existing conditions but honey tell me what happens when you have a pre existing condition and you want to change jobs?
            Did I see you with your Make America Great Again gear and an Ivanka dress which is made in China turn off Fox New s
            I posted a link that was on Factcheck which state the RepubliCON plan which 20 Republicons didn’t vote for is BULLSHIT that wont pass the Senate which is a Fact and NOT Alternative Facts or Fake News
            Now tell me Trump U was a legit University lol

        • John Doe

          That list was put out by the GOP in their insurance package. Interestingly enough, maternity care is also gone, among other female coverages, but Erectile Dysfunction remains covered. I’ll leave the jokes to the comedians.

  • Mustang Sally

    Obamacare is Dead. MacCarthy did a good job and now Senate will tweak it further. Lets follow this through.

    • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

      and what exactly does “this” mean you clueless idiot

  • USAFWX

    The interesting thing, if one actually looks at the law, is that it will have little to no effect on anyone in NJ. NJ regulatory law requires a minimum insurance that goes above what this new law says and the new law gives more power to each state. Therefore, nobody will lose their insurance due to it being unaffordable or lose any coverage in NJ.

    Dems are so gullible!

    • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

      Take a look at a map Liberals are the folks who are educated NOT the Trumptards in Red States
      Trump is doing a wonderful job dontcha think?

  • Lisa thomas

    More BS from your ass son

    • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

      perhaps you should remove your head from your ass and take a looky at the label? Tru google and see where Comreade Trumpski and his daughters garbage are made better yet follow the money and see where the money came from since nobody in the US will lend him money since he went BK 6 times
      Have you watched ole Tommys meeting? Didn’t go so well
      The 3 times married grabbem by the pussy family values guy lol
      Hey was Trump U a fraud?

  • FJLinNJ

    If you want to read his actual proposed amendment to the bill, it is the fourth link on this page:

    http://fjl2018.org/downloads/docket-117-cv-00793-lavergne-v-us-house-representatives/

    The lawsuit was filed over two specific issues – internet privacy and health care, but the principle on which it is based will affect every action taken since 1/3.

    Read it, if you will, and understand it, before you form an opinion. The judges did, and it’s going forward.

    BTW – The Assignment Judge in the US District Court, District of Columbia?

    Merrick Garland.

    You didn’t really think we’d let them get away with these “shenanigans”, did you?

    Links 1-3 are the Amended Complaint, Exhibits A-P, and Exhibit Q, which is the overall Bill MacArthur’s amendment applies to.

  • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

    He is too stupid to understand
    And what if you have a pre existing condition and you want to change jobs and you have a pre exisiting?
    Remember Republicons who receive a pension from the Government and who are still allowed to work a union job full time with benefits who s employer received most of its contracts from the Govt does make you 2 things 1 on the govt tit your whole life 2 a hypocrite
    Hey how much is the cost estimate and will Lacey get any “free money grants” aka extortion of others
    Did you find out which conflicted ruler owns the land locked property? I know
    Fly that drone

  • Im Trump the 25 mil FRAUD

    Trump is Dead
    Robert Mueller appointed special counsel to oversee probe into Russia’s interference in 2016 election
    Bye Bye perhaps this time the Make America Great gear might now be made in America?